{"id":1710,"date":"2006-03-06T10:52:14","date_gmt":"2006-03-06T17:52:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/8stars.org\/aa\/2006\/03\/06\/alfresco-whispers\/"},"modified":"2006-03-06T10:52:14","modified_gmt":"2006-03-06T17:52:14","slug":"alfresco-whispers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/2006\/03\/06\/alfresco-whispers\/","title":{"rendered":"Alfresco Whispers"},"content":{"rendered":"

Post-move, I’ve been cleaning out some old papers, and found this. I’ve decided to type it up and post it online for the benefit of future generations. This was originally typed up (and orchestrated) by Chris Poole. Although I’ve tried very hard to reproduce this in exactly the same form as Chris typed it up, it’s quite possible that I’ve introduced a few typos.<\/p>\n

I don’t remember exactly which one of these I translated, but it was somewhere in the late 30s\/early 40s.<\/p>\n

\n

At the closing luncheon of IJET-4 an exercise in consecutive translating was conducted, drawing on the expertise of the assembled translators and interpreters. A simple phrase in English was chosen as the starting point and a Japanese speaker was asked to translate it. This in turn was translated back into English, and then back into Japanese again and so on. People were asked to translate into their own language and were given sixty seconds to do so. No one saw anything but the previous version, and were therefore unaware of the subtle changes that were taking place.
\nIt should be noted here that some difficulty was encountered due to people’s handwriting, but as the participants became aware of the overall objective, a guarantee of anonymity seemed to become more important. In deference to these numerous requests I therefore present the results typed up, with annotation where appropriate.<\/p>\n

    \n
  1. Bridges between cultures are built on foundations of tolerance.<\/li>\n
  2. \u6587\u5316\u306e\u304b\u3051\u6a4b\u3001\u5fcd\u8010\u3092\u571f\u53f0\u3068\u306a\u308b\u3002<\/li>\n
  3. Patience, indeed, is the foundation of bridges between cultures.<\/li>\n
  4. \u6587\u5316\u306e\u304b\u3051\u6a4b\u306b\u306a\u308b\u306e\u306f\u3001\u5fcd\u8010\u3057\u304b\u3042\u308a\u307e\u305b\u3093\u3002 \u201cFoundation\u201d component of metaphor disappears<\/em>.<\/li>\n
  5. The only cultural bridge is forbearance \u5fcd\u8010 alternatively translated as \u201ctolerance,\u201d \u201cpatience\u201d and \u201cforbearance\u201d. The latter perhaps confusing the translator, who finds refuge in an ambiguous use of the word \u7406\u89e3 which then of course becomes \u201cunderstanding\u201d. A very durable concept which lasts until 21.<\/em><\/li>\n
  6. \u6587\u5316\u306f\u4ed6\u3092\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u3053\u3068\u3067\u7d50\u3070\u308c\u308b\u3002\u3000\u201cBridge\u201d metaphor disappears via \u7d50\u3073 and \u201clink\u201d.<\/em><\/li>\n
  7. Cultures are linked by understanding others.<\/li>\n
  8. \u4ed6\u306e\u4eba\u305f\u3061\u3092\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u3053\u3068\u306b\u3088\u308a\u6587\u5316\u4ea4\u6d41\u304c\u306a\u3055\u308c\u308b\u3002 \u201cPeople\u201d are introduced through the ambiguity of \u4ed6.<\/em><\/li>\n
  9. Cultural exchange is done by evaluating other people.<\/li>\n
  10. \u6587\u5316\u4ea4\u6d41\u306f\u3001\u5916\u56fd\u306e\u4eba\u3092\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u3053\u3068\u304b\u3089\u59cb\u307e\u308b\u3002<\/li>\n
  11. International understanding begins with an understanding of foreign people.<\/li>\n
  12. \u56fd\u969b\u7406\u89e3\u306f\u5916\u56fd\u306e\u4eba\u3092\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u304b\u3089\u59cb\u307e\u308b\u3002<\/li>\n
  13. International understanding begins with an understanding of foreign people.<\/li>\n
  14. \u56fd\u969b\u7406\u89e3\u306f\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u3092\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u304b\u3089\u59cb\u307e\u308b\u3002<\/li>\n
  15. International understanding begins with the act of understading foreigners.<\/li>\n
  16. \u4f1a\u5f97\u3059\u308b\u3001\u7406\u89e3\u3001\u59cb\u3081\u306b\u3001\u305d\u306e\u884c\u52d5\u306f\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u306e\u884c\u52d5\u3092\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u3053\u3068\u3002<\/li>\n
  17. Understand first that behavior is to understand the behavior of foreigners. Statement becomes rather incoherent imperative due to confusing layout of 16.<\/em><\/li>\n
  18. \u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u306e\u884c\u52d5\u3067\u3042\u308b\u3068\u307e\u305a\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u3053\u3068\u3002 Does not read 17 as imperative.<\/em><\/li>\n
  19. To understand from the outset that this is the way foreigners behave. Seems to become conditional clause here.<\/em><\/li>\n
  20. \u5916\u56fd\u306e\u65b9\u306f\u3053\u3046\u3044\u3046\u3075\u3046\u306b\u884c\u52d5\u3059\u308b\u3082\u306e\u3060\u3068\u521d\u3081\u304b\u3089\u7406\u89e3\u3059\u308b\u3053\u3068\u3002<\/li>\n
  21. You must understand that this is how foreigners behave. Back to the imperative.<\/em><\/li>\n
  22. \u5916\u56fd\u306e\u65b9\u306f\u3053\u3046\u306a\u3055\u3044\u307e\u3059\u3002 Then back again to descriptive statement.<\/em><\/li>\n
  23. This is the way foreigners would do it. \u201cwould do it\u201d if what? Do what?<\/em><\/li>\n
  24. \u3053\u308c\u306f\u5916\u56fd\u4eba\u304c\u3088\u304f\u3059\u308b\u3084\u308a\u65b9\u3067\u3059\u3002 Solves above problem, but introduces question of frequency.<\/em><\/li>\n
  25. This is what foreigners often do.<\/li>\n
  26. \u5916\u56fd\u304c\u3069\u3093\u3042\u3053\u3068\u3092\u3088\u304f\u884c\u3044\u307e\u3059\u304b\uff1f Inexplicably becomes question. Also omits \u4eba, leaving sentence to mean \u201cwhat sort of things do foreign countries often do?\u201d<\/em><\/li>\n
  27. What kind of things do they like to do in foreign countries? In order to make sense of the above, invents identity\/ies, not necessarily native to the countries, who now have a choice about \u201cwhat they do\u201d.<\/em><\/li>\n
  28. \u305d\u306e\u4eba\u305f\u3061\u306f\uff08\u304b\u308c\u3089\u306f\uff09\u5916\u56fd\u306b\u3044\u3063\u305f\u3068\u304d\u3069\u3093\u306a\u3053\u3068\u3092\u3057\u305f\u3044\u306e\u3067\u3057\u3087\u3046\u304b\u3002 Good, if cumbersome, translation that makes it plain that \u201cthey\u201d are visitors.<\/em><\/li>\n
  29. What do you think they might want to do when they go overseas?<\/li>\n
  30. \u592a\u308a\u3059\u304e\u305f\u3089\u3069\u3046\u5bfe\u51e6\u3059\u308b\u3068\u601d\u3044\u307e\u3059\u304b\u3002 Handwriting problem. Misreads \u201coverseas\u201d as \u201covereats\u201d.<\/em><\/li>\n
  31. If you are too fat, how do you handle the problem? Introduces value judgment on obesity.<\/em><\/li>\n
  32. \u592a\u308a\u3059\u304e\u3066\u3044\u305f\u3089\u3001\u3069\u3046\u305d\u308c\u306b\u5bfe\u5fdc\u3057\u307e\u3059\u304b\u3002 Female translator said she would rather not translate something like this. I emphasised that it was only a game so she obliged (but didn\u2019t see obesity as a problem).<\/em><\/li>\n
  33. If you were too fat, what would you do?<\/li>\n
  34. \u3075\u3068\u308a\u904e\u304e\u3066\u3044\u305f\u3089\u8cb4\u65b9\u306f\u3069\u3046\u306a\u3055\u3044\u307e\u3059\u304b\u3002 Renders \u201cyou\u201d as \u8cb4\u65b9<\/em><\/li>\n
  35. What will the lord do when he gets too fat? Mistakes \u8cb4\u65b9 for \u8cb4\u65cf and renders it as \u201clord\u201d.<\/em><\/li>\n
  36. \u795e\u306f\u80a5\u308a\u3059\u304e\u305f\u3089\u3069\u3046\u3059\u308b\u304b\uff1f Reads \u201clord\u201d as \u201cGod\u201d.<\/em><\/li>\n
  37. What do you do if God is too fat? 37, 39, 43, 47 all manage without a personal pronoun in Japanese. Personal pronounds cause problems on both occasions they appear in 34 and 40.<\/em><\/li>\n
  38. \u795e\u69d8\u304c\u3042\u307e\u308a\u592a\u3063\u3066\u3044\u305f\u3089\u3069\u3046\u3057\u307e\u3059\u304b\u3002<\/li>\n
  39. What would you do if god was too fat?<\/li>\n
  40. \u795e\u304c\u80a5\u6e80\u904e\u591a\u3060\u3063\u305f\u3089\u8cb4\u65b9\u306f\u2026 Bases vague, open-ended questiion on condition that God were too fat.<\/em><\/li>\n
  41. If God were too fat, what would you be? Good logical translation that deduces remainder of question.<\/em><\/li>\n
  42. \u80a5\u308a\u3059\u304e\u306e\u795e\u69d8\u304c\u3044\u3063\u305f\u3089\u3069\u3046\u601d\u3044\u307e\u3059\u304b\uff1f Raises question of attitude rather than \u201cbeing\u201d.<\/em><\/li>\n
  43. If there is an overweight God, what do you think?<\/li>\n
  44. \u592a\u308a\u3059\u304e\u306e\u795e\u69d8\u304c\u3044\u308b\u3068\u3059\u308c\u3070\u3069\u3046\u601d\u3044\u307e\u3059\u304b\u3002<\/li>\n
  45. What would you think of a fat God.<\/li>\n
  46. \u592a\u3063\u305f\u795e\u69d8\u3092\u3069\u3046\u601d\u3082\u3044\u307e\u3059\u304b\u3002 Rumoured fat God lives!<\/em><\/li>\n
  47. What do you think of the fat God.<\/li>\n
  48. \u795e\u69d8\u592a\u3063\u305f\u3067\u3057\u3087\u3046\uff1f Renders simple question as traditional Japanese greeting addressed to God.<\/em><\/li>\n
  49. You look well God! Good translation.<\/em><\/li>\n
  50. \u3084\u3042\u3001\u5143\u6c17\u305d\u3046\u3058\u3083\u306a\u3044\u304b\uff01 Supreme being departs as \u201cGod\u201d is read simply as exclamatory component of greeting.<\/em><\/li>\n
  51. Hello my lover. You\u2019m be lookin\u2019 fine today (Devonshire) Very ably translated into equivalent dialect.<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    Post-move, I’ve been cleaning out some old papers, and found this. I’ve decided to type it up and post it online for the benefit of future generations. This was originally typed up (and orchestrated) by Chris Poole. Although I’ve tried very hard to reproduce this in exactly the same form as Chris typed it up, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"default","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"set","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[222,249,441],"class_list":["post-1710","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-language","tag-humor","tag-japanese","tag-translation"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1710","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1710"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1710\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1710"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1710"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/8stars.org\/a\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1710"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}